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Archive for August, 2006

“I Made It Up”

Michael Gibbons of Gibbons Trading adds to the “price”:

Michael,

I stopped looking at news as something important in 1978. A good friend of mine was employed as a “reporter” by the largest commodity news service at the time. One day his major “story” was about sugar and what it was going to do. After I read his piece, I asked: “Gary, how do you know all of this?” I will never forget his answer…he said: ” I made it up.”

I have looked only at price since 1978.

Best,
Michael Gibbons

Don’t Take the Bait

Hi Mike,

Regarding your recent post about the trader who claims to be a trend follower, but then tries to bait you into claiming something negative about trend following – I’m not sure what to make of these people, but, as a trend follower, I am pretty happy they are around – after all it’s their doubts and fears that fuel my next potential gains – it’s their indecisiveness, their need to change, find the next new system that “works” – it comes back to human nature and discipline – the need to be right is so strong in so many – and the discipline necessary to stick with a sound trading system is so difficult for so many – otherwise your “hall of fame” of trend followers would 40 pages long – all I need to do is look at the charts for the past year – hmmm – copper – got it – trend – check – silver – got it – trend – check – sugar – got it trend – check and look at that – sugar again right now has been trending down – got it – trend – check – oh yeah – orange juice – and ummmmm – oh yes the 5 yr note – cattle – hogs – there have been and are trends going on right now – I have 14 positions on and some of them are into a trend and others may be starting a new trend and others may turn around for losses – I DON’T KNOW – but I do know my downside on each of these positions and I do know that I had some tough months of returns in may, june, july – and I am relatively new to this – my longest account has only been active for 14 months – is trend following dead? – If trends cease to exist then markets cease to exist, then there is no game except selling volatility, then everyone gets into that and their heads get taken off and then when everyone walks away, the trends come back and over and over – supply and demand – cycles- get back in – who knows – its uncertain – embrace it! - I have a ton to learn and that will always be the case and no matter how much I think I know, I will never know where the market is going … but I will know what to do when it gets there (I think that was a Bill Eckhardt line, in some shape or form).

Thanks,
Michael Marchese

More Old Pro Wisdom

I have developed a friendship with an old pro trader who sends me regular insight. A recent email in:

Hello again everyone-due to other commitments today will be my last “morning market comments”. As most of you know several months ago I was invited to be a ghost analyst for a well-respected daily newsletter writer in the futures industry. For a number of reasons I decided not to get involved but in my trial period I found a number of things about myself I had never recognized before. Some things I learned are not necessarily about me per se but more about trading and I learned a few things about some of you. My readers included two successful commodity trading advisors, a surgeon, a real estate developer, a successful businessman, a successful salesman, and a federal law enforcement agent. The point here is that people from all walks of life have an interest in trading on some level.

A few of the things I learned are as follows:

#1 there is a huge gap between market analysis and trading markets to make money.

#2 There is no relationship between being “right” and making money.

#3 While markets are not predictable people are.

#4 Anything can happen in the markets so how worthwhile is a market opinion?

#5 Having a definable game plan and following it will overcome poor analysis.

#6 I know some very rich traders but I have yet to meet a rich analyst.

#7 You should never give out market advice because readers don’t need your bad advice and they will ignore your good advice so don’t give them any advice.

#8 A correct market opinion does not answer the questions of how and when do I place a bet, when do I know I am wrong, how big is my bet in terms of dollar or percent risk, and most important how do I manage my trades when they are working.

#9 Some very smart people think the stock market is going up. Some other very smart people think the stock market is going down. Since I don’t have a clue what the stock market is going to do I totally agree with both opinions.

#10 Managing the money and more importantly managing the trade is more important than being “right”.

#11 A good trade is a trade which was entered and exited following one’s rules regardless of the dollar outcome be it a gain or a loss.

#12 Most newsletters offer both sides regarding market direction. Whichever way the market goes will then be highlighted in subsequent newsletters as if the writer new what was coming.

#13 The more negative email you receive regarding a market opinion the more you should bet.

#14 If you receive emails endorsing your view you might want to re-think your opinion.

#15 You learn very little “watching” someone else trade and you might very well harm yourself as a trader by following the advice of others. Be your own man or in one case lady!

#16 Keeping a trading diary on a daily basis will teach you how you think. Be honest and don’t edit your diary in hindsight. Again trading is not about right and wrong but it is about doing and not doing.

Good trading to everyone!

How Change Happens

A reader sent me this excerpt from John Mauldin. He touches on analysts’ propensity to offer explanations for every market move:

“To trace something unknown back to something known is alleviating, soothing, gratifying, and gives moreover a feeling of power. Danger, disquiet, anxiety attend the unknown - the first instinct is to eliminate these distressing states. First principle: any explanation is better than none… The cause-creating drive is thus conditioned and excited by the feeling of fear ….” Friedrich Nietzsche

“Any explanation is better than none.” And the simpler, it seems in the investment game, the better. “The markets went up because oil went down,” we are told. Then the next day the opposite relationship occurs. Then there is another reason for the movement of the markets. But we all intuitively know that things are far more complicated than that. As Nietzsche noted, dealing with the unknown can be disturbing, so we look for the simple explanation. “Ah,” we tell ourselves. “I know why that happened.” With an explanation firmly in hand, we now feel we know something. And the behavioral psychologists note that this state actually releases chemicals in our brain which make us feel good. We become literally addicted to the simple explanation. The fact that what we “know” (the explanation for the unknowable) is irrelevant or even wrong is not important to the chemical release. And thus we look for reasons. And that is why some people get so angry when you challenge their beliefs. You are literally taking away the source of their good feeling, like drugs from a junkie, or a boyfriend from a teenage girl. Thus we reason the NASDAQ bubble happened because of Greenspan. Or a collective mania. Or any number of things. Just like the proverbial butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon that triggers a storm in Europe, maybe an investor in St. Louis triggered the NASDAQ crash….

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The Hazards of the New Online Collectivism

Jaron Lanier recently wrote an essay called The Hazards of the New Online Collectivism. A summary:

“The hive mind is for the most part stupid and boring. Why pay attention to it? The problem is in the way the Wikipedia has come to be regarded and used; how it’s been elevated to such importance so quickly. And that is part of the larger pattern of the appeal of a new online collectivism that is nothing less than a resurgence of the idea that the collective is all-wise, that it is desirable to have influence concentrated in a bottleneck that can channel the collective with the most verity and force. This is different from representative democracy, or meritocracy. This idea has had dreadful consequences when thrust upon us from the extreme Right or the extreme Left in various historical periods. The fact that it’s now being re-introduced today by prominent technologists and futurists, people who in many cases I know and like, doesn’t make it any less dangerous.”

I would argue the hive mind in some way or another has always been there. I would also argue that the hive mind is what allows traders like trend followers to profit in the zero sum game.

Bill Eckhardt Wisdom

A good piece of wisdom from Bill Eckhardt:

“If you make a bad trade, you have money management, you have a whole bunch of things that will come to your aid, and you’re really not in so much trouble if you make a bad trade. But if you miss a good trade there’s really nowhere to turn. If you miss good trades with any regularity you’re finished, you’re doomed in this game.”

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